Believing for the wrong reasons (maybe?)
April 9, 2008
I’ve been having a good conversation in my comments on Teetering Faith (oh, I know that’s a bad thing…I shouldn’t have blog comment wars but it’s just so easy to slip into), and I think that this kind of dialogue helps me to clarify my feelings on the issue.
The comments have been so far church oriented. It asks me if my church is in the right place or the wrong place. Is it teaching the right things or the wrong things?
I guess that’s a good question. It might be helpful to ask, “Does your church focus on spirituality or does it focus on organization and tack spirituality on?”
But what if I can answer, “It focuses on spirituality, but that’s the part I hate”? Indeed, I think that is my answer and that’s what I tried to reach at in Teetering Faith. I’m at odds with mainstream religion, not just my religion, because instead of focusing on the good that people can do, it focuses on the invisible, undetectable beings who tell us to do good things and the invisible rewards we may get in the next life from doing good things. It focuses on the invisible way we must live our lives — faith — instead of using our senses to determine what we know is right or wrong.
I like my church — and I find value in churches — because they give a logical organization or a logical structure to people’s lives. If churches are good, then they are good because they bring about meaningful good consequences in people’s lives. I used to feel at odds with religion because one “meaningful good consequence” — faith — was absent. I couldn’t hear anything back. I didn’t feel anything from reading about spiritual passages. I don’t cry at things like that. I’m spiritually cold. And I have no problem with that.
What keeps me coming back is recognizing that even though many churches are misguided into believing that religion should be about crying at Jesus’s suffering or praying 90 billion times a day, some churches are enlightened enough to realize that religion should be about giving practical advice to people.
This is a conundrum. A big one. You see…most theologians — professional or arm-chair variety — will agree that regardless of whether you believe in faith + works or faith alone, you can’t *just* believe in works.
I’m not saying I only believe in works, and I’m not saying I was taught that way. However, what if faith escapes you? Are you ineligible for true salvation? What if the way you look at the benefits of religion is in a tangible — dare I say secular — way? Are you believing for the wrong reasons? The problem is lots of churches say you should be believing just because, and instead I’m believing because it makes sense. I reason that as soon as something ceases to make sense, I can drop it like a bad habit.
The funniest thing is…I’ve tried going to other places (that’s what I like about *my* church — it tells you to try other places out if you aren’t sure)…and then I realize that other churches are barbaric. You aren’t a person; you are a soul to be preyed upon. Heck, 90% of religious conversations anywhere devolve into this barbaric melee, because you never were a person but a soul to be preyed upon. Your views obviously are wrong and you must be converted immediately.
Why stick with it? Why not just say, “Bye”? Well…the problem is that, for now, I still believe. Even if for the wrong reasons. I don’t go to another church because I don’t agree with them and I don’t just ditch everything and go my own path because that doesn’t seem legitimate to me yet. I remain in limbo. It’s a good place not to change things.
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mookda | April 10, 2008 at 5:19 am
I just read something in a book that I think may be helpful to you.
The author uses the analogy of a beautiful painting. A blind man can never see the beauty of the painting, so if he is to determine that a painting is beautiful he must take someone else’s word for it. That’s what faith is. The blind man has no way to tell if the painting is beautiful or not. God is telling us that the painting is beautiful. Faith is believing that it is, even when we cannot see it. Only if we trust God %100 with all that we are can He open our eyes to actually see the painting. With faith, we have to believe it is beautiful and allow God to open our eyes before we can see it for ourselves.
One doesn’t believe in God because it makes sense, but neither does one believe in Him just because. You believe in Him because as you get to know Him a little better, you see that His opinion on the painting is far better then your’s or anyone else’s for that matter. The thing is, you have no way of knowing if it makes sense or not, because you can’t see it. You can only hear about it.
Let me ask you this: what good is in giving practical advice to people and doing good if it only helps them for the remainder of their lives? If you believe in eternity, then you know that our lives on earth are really only a speck on the timeline of our eternal lives.
Doing good works is wonderful and an important part of following God; but there must be something more to it. There must be something that will last longer then our dying bodies. That is why faith is important. God will not force us into heaven if we won’t come. Faith is how we come. The Bible tells us that salvation is -from- grace, but -through- faith.
This is not at all to downplay the importance of good deeds. Faith is what enables us to do good deeds, and that is why I believe “mainstream religion” focuses on it so much. God is what enables us to do good deeds for no other reason then to do them. He is what enables us to do something good not because of a selfish agenda, or even because of the nice feeling it gives us. He enables us to do good deeds completely and entirely for the benefit of other people in everything that we do. Perhaps everyone has had a moment where they were truly doing something completely unselfishly. But God allows us to do -everything- without selfish motive, and turn -everything- into a good deed.
But we must trust Him before He can work through us in this way. I hope I’ve made some sense and that I’ve understood you correctly. I have a habit of not understanding people at times, but I do my best.
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Subversive Asset 4.0 | April 10, 2008 at 7:21 am
Good comment.
This is the BIGGEST problem. If a blind person cannot recognize a painting as beautiful, you don’t penalize him. You don’t punish him for his blindness. That is his inability, yes, but you don’t say, “sorry, no heaven for you!”
That is essentially what anyone who says faith is critical is saying.
You’re trying to say something like, “As you know HIm a bit better, you’ll realize His opinion on things is far better than yours or anyone else’s.” The problem is…you can only know his opinion on this because of someone else or because of what you do — because unless you are the kind to receive personal revelation, YOU don’t hear anything. After all, you are blind and cannot see the painting for sure. You have no way to know what his opinion on things is, so you’re just utterly blindly saying, “I’m going to say that THIS interpretation of his opinion is correct.”
You admit yourself that we are ill-equipped to find the truth. We can’t trust our sense and sensibility, so in actuality, we have no tool to find the truth. That’s really counterintuitive.
Here’s the thing…practical advice should extend to the next life. If the practical advice of this life doesn’t apply to the next life, or the practical advice of the next life is radically different than the one of this life, then that means there is something utterly wrong with this system. If there is a universal morality, then what is good for eternity should be good for us now…and we should be able to find out what that goodness is now. So, I think that finding “practical” religion doesn’t and shouldn’t detract from our eternal progression, unless God purposefully designs us to be faulty at this.
So, if salvation is *from* grace and *through* faith and you are blind to faith…it is something you do not recognize and cannot recognize, then are you hosed? Are you lost from Heaven? If so, that is a cross I will bear since I cannot help that. I have tried far too long in far too many ways, but apparently, my EFFORT isn’t good enough.
Your paragraph on good deeds, though, is exactly what I hate about the spiritual side of things. People doing good deeds need to recognize that God doesn’t have to be a part of them. We can do good deeds completely and entirely for the benefit of other people ONLY when we stop doing them because of God. Saying, “I am helping you because I want to be more like Christ” is just as much of a selfish reason as, “I am helping you because I want money.” If you say, “I am helping you just because,” which is what *I* have to say; what Mother Teresa has to say — because our “faith” doesn’t seem to be good enough; it yields only empty barrenness, that is a true commitment to helping people. But, according to you, without faith, that is meaningless.
Unless you think…that God is an invisible, imaginary thing…so that saying “I am helping you because I trust in God” is EXACTLY like saying, “I am helping you just because helping people is good.” I don’t think you’re willing to say that.